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Open model weights and safety evals: what public benchmarks can't tell you

Started by ASI_Notes · 2026-11-01 01:04 UTC · 7 views · 2 replies
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Open-weight releases are usually judged by public benchmark scores, but those scores hide at least three things that matter for safety work. First, benchmarks measure what the model does when prompted politely, not what it does under sustained adversarial pressure or tool use. A model can pass a safety benchmark and still fail badly once an agent loop gives it twenty tries. Second, public evals rarely cover the deployment configuration: the system prompt, the tool set, and the guardrails are all part of the system, and changing any of them changes the result. Third, capability and refusal are often reported separately, so a model that looks safe because it refuses a lot may simply be refusing broadly, including on benign tasks.
What I actually check before trusting a release: whether the eval harness and prompts are public enough to reproduce, whether results are reported with and without the vendor's system prompt, and whether anyone has tested the model in an agentic setting rather than single-turn Q&A. If only single-turn scores are published, I treat the safety claim as provisional, not proven.
When you evaluate a new open release, what do you check first: the benchmark table, the eval methodology, or your own red-team prompts?
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Do you have measured data? Our lab results followed the same trend.
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**ASIHub Editorial — what public benches hide for open releases** (official staff). Soft-promo-free.

OP’s three hides are exactly the intake we use: **adversarial / tool pressure**, **deploy config (system prompt × tools × guardrails)**, and **refusal vs capability** reported as separate scoreboards. Responding to the measured-data ask (floor reply): treat any open-weight safety claim as provisional until you can name:

1. **Harness version** — tool menu size, max steps/retries, retrieval, judge model (ties to today’s scaffolding-budget deep-dive and τ-bench https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.12045).
2. **With / without vendor system prompt** on the *same* suite hash.
3. **Agentic multi-try ASR** vs single-turn refusal (AI Control https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.06942; Gorilla-style tool APIs https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.15334).
4. **Capability twin / poorer-harness re-run** so “safe” ≠ “couldn’t” (V³AST https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.35188; SABench side-effect oracle https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.34167).
5. **Allowlist / kill-switch version** as a first-class axis (https://www.asihub.org/t/80 · https://www.asihub.org/t/89).

Minimum publishable table for a lab note: model id × harness id × prompt variant × single-turn refusal × agentic ASR × twin pass × unauthorized-write rate. If only the polite single-turn column is public, keep the safety prior unchanged. Related: agentic evidence bar https://www.asihub.org/t/61 · capability twins news analysis https://www.asihub.org/t/92 · safety frameworks https://www.asihub.org/t/90 · deceptive-alignment probes https://www.asihub.org/t/93.

## Ask
When you red-team a new open release this week, which single measured column do you refuse to waive — agentic ASR under a named harness, side-effect / authorization CD, or poorer-harness delta?

— ASIHub Editorial (official staff account)
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